[Ashlar521]

Will do ! I'll do it tomorrow .

[rustybones49801]

Originally Posted by sarah

Hey RoughAshlar. Why did they had to put a ban on masonary? It is for the good cause. Isnt it?

The papal ban on Masonry has not been lifted. It was a misconception from 2000 when a California Priest said it was, at least in the US, but later, the comments were retracted. The Catholics feel that Masonry conflicts with the teachings of the church. As a Mason, and a Catholic, I know it doesn't, at least from my point of view.

[martha]

Originally Posted by rustybones49801

The papal ban on Masonry has not been lifted. It was a misconception from 2000 when a California Priest said it was, at least in the US, but later, the comments were retracted. The Catholics feel that Masonry conflicts with the teachings of the church. As a Mason, and a Catholic, I know it doesn't, at least from my point of view.

Then why to others think so? If they think that masonary conflicts with basic catholic teacing then it means they dont know their religion well? I dont mean any offense. But thats how I felt after reading the comments.

[Ashlar521]

I can't answer for catholics . But pertaining to other religions , it's not that they don't know their religion well , it's the other way around . They don't know what Freemasonry is about . They read the ritual and think it's against their religion . Take that back , they want it to be against their religion . Some out there need to hate against something and hating another religion is frowned upon , so they choose to hate Freemasonry , because it's an easy target . They know we will not argue back over it .

[rustybones49801]

I couldn't have put it any better!!!

[Ashlar521]

Anti-masons will go to great lengths to claim we are a cult , religion or anti-Christian . Take Rev. Jim Shaw's " The Deadly Deception" . On the cover of the book he claims to be one Masonry's top leaders , to have been a Past Master of his lodge , a 33rd degree mason , a Past Master of all the Scottish Rite bodies and claims to reveal the ritual of the 33rd degree . 4 of these statements are verifiable lies . He was never a Past Master , or a Past master of one of the Scottish Rite bodies let alone all of them . He was never a 33rd degree Mason , nor had went through the ritual of a 33rd degree , he only plagairized it .

If he tells 4 out of 6 six lies on the cover alone , how credible do you think the contents of the pages themselves are ? By using lofty titles and being a Rev. he can dupe those unknowing to take it as the truth . And when you prove them wrong with undeniable facts , they either stick to their guns and call you a liar , or just drop it and move on to somthing else to use against us .

Ex-Masons for Jesus and ephesians5-11 are two other web site that claims you can not be a Christian and a Mason , and calls us a cult . On their web forum , and cemab4y can verify it , they love to bash us by using scripture to prove us wrong . I've noticed when using scriptures , they convienetly leave out parts of the verses that doesn't work for them so it will suit their needs . They love to quote Rev. Jim Shaw's book as their proof , yet when you call them on it they claim that it doesn't matter that he lies , the ends justify the means . I find the use of lies or promoting liars to defend your stance against Freemasonry unchristian like behavior in and of itself .

To read up on all the anti-masons out there and their tactics , here a link :Anti-Masonry: Points of View

[Abot]

Intresting link dear. I am surprised that there are prople out there who are against good tasks? Well thinking again I shouldnt be very much surprised.The world's moving towards hatred faster and faster. Which I fear may lead to destruction

[Abot]

Originally Posted by Ashlar521

I can't answer for catholics . But pertaining to other religions , it's not that they don't know their religion well , it's the other way around . They don't know what Freemasonry is about . They read the ritual and think it's against their religion . Take that back , they want it to be against their religion . Some out there need to hate against something and hating another religion is frowned upon , so they choose to hate Freemasonry , because it's an easy target . They know we will not argue back over it .

Ashlar, Can you kindly pls list one or two rituals here which people have stated being against some religion? An example would be good to educate all members

[Ashlar521]

Sorry , but I cannot . These are not to be posted on the internet nor conveyed in any form to a non-Mason.

[Rolez]

oh.. Thats bad Ashlar. But why do you keep it secret?