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ex oriente lux
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 573
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Here in the United States the Lodges are dry, meaning no alcohol is permitted. Many other Countries allow drinking however. I've also noticed that many younger members wish drinking was allowed in the lodge. What is your feelings on this?
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"Laus Deo"
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: #232 Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania
Posts: 298
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of course this is only my opinion, but I feel that the drinking should be kept out of the Masonic functions. I am young enough to understand their point of view with allowing drinking, however, this was abolished during prohibition and was replaced with juice at "Table Lodge". As we all know, we are to be dutiful citizens, and follow the laws of our country. There are other bodies which allow alcoholic beverages to be sold and consumed on their property, (masonic bodies included) however it was taken out of the "Blue Lodge" functions and never brought back. Again, in my opinion, if the younger crowd wishes for alcohol to be a factor in joining the fraternity, most likely you will not find them attending or advancing in their work. I have experienced this first hand with our lodge, those who join both the "Blue Lodge" and other fraternal organizations, ie (B.P.O.E.,MOOSE,GROTTO,TALL CEDARS) allow drinking, you see those individuals at the organizations "bar" but not in the meetings. I am in favor of keeping the alcohol out, just because I wouldn't want to pad the number of members (which would then add to the amount given to Grand Lodge) for those who don't attend.
Shawn T. Zell PM #232 |
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Bro. Samuel
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Denver, CO.
Posts: 13
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Sometimes i think it would be nice to have a beer or a glass of wine with dinner at Lodge. We were just talking about this at our last meeting actually. The secretary mentioned the Lodge could be held financially liable for any damages if one of our brothers was in an accident on the way home. As such, he didn't think allowing any drinking was a good idea.
I am on the fence about this one. I can see how, as WB Shawn mentions, the Lodge could become a bar scene with brothers comming mostly for the drinks. And, the fear of lawsuits in the U.S. is everpresent. Still, sometimes i think it would be nice |
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Semper fidelis
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My answer is simply , No . I don't want it in my lodge , and I don't see the need to have alcohol to have fellowship with my brothers .
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Freemasonry is "veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols" because these are the surest way by which moral and ethical truths may be taught. It is not only with the brain and with the mind that the initiate must take Freemasonry but also with the heart. -C. H. Claudy
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Texas #1053
Posts: 10
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I concur with my brother above. I was raised old fashioned, in a very old and respected lodge in my community.
I see absolutely no reason why there would be any need for alcohol. My vote is NO, and will forever stay as such. |
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Salerno, Afghanistan
Posts: 103
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The position of the Junior Warden is to supervise the Craft, and ensure that none perverts the refreshment into intemperance or excess.
In the USA, most lodges are bone dry. If you research the history of masonry in the USA, this was not always the case. When Brother George Washington's lodge broke for refreshment, they passed the jug around. Alcohol has been in our lodges since the first organization of the Grand Lodge in London in 1717. Most European lodges have alcohol, and a bar set up right there in the building. In Paris, France, they have a full bar with beer, wine, and liquor right there at the National Grand Lodge of France. Alcohol was removed from our lodges during prohibition, which was ended in 1933, with the 22d amendment. In the USA, nearly all lodges remained dry. I would love for Freemasonry, to return to our roots, when we served alcohol at our lodge meetings. The lodge hall was the center of activity in the community, and men spent their leisure time, there in conversation, and good fellowship. There are many ideas, for moving forward into the future, while keeping an anchor on our past. Please see: knights of the north and open "Laudable Pursuit" |
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Semper fidelis
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I've read Laudable Pursuit quit a few times and I also know the history of Freemasonry . I just do not see the reason why alcohol is needed to fellowship and have meaningful conversations. We started a Square and Compass club .We get together 2 or 3 times a week and talk about Freemasonry ritual , history and meaning and just about everything else under the sun . It's a place were we can debate politics and religion without breaking the rules of the lodge . More Masons show up to the club meetings than to regular lodge meetings . And all over a cup of coffee or a Pepsi .
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Freemasonry is "veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols" because these are the surest way by which moral and ethical truths may be taught. It is not only with the brain and with the mind that the initiate must take Freemasonry but also with the heart. -C. H. Claudy
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Member
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 37
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I grow up i Denmark where beer or wine is often served with meals, and yes
there are times I wish I could have a glass of wine with my meal. However I understand that some people who did not grow up this way would have a problem understanding the difference between one glass of wine, and party time at the lodge. That is to bad, but I can wait to I get home before I have a glass of wine. Last month I was at a wild game dinner at KOC and I enjoyed a glass of beer with an excellent meal Allan Jensen |
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: The Great White North, Eh?
Posts: 154
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Alcohol is certainly not necessary but surely men of temperance and wisdom, such as those of us devoted to the craft can be expected to exercise restraint and not excess.
My lodge is one of many that share the same building. On the lower floor are our lodge rooms and library, aswell as the corporate office that operates the building. On the upper floor is our kitchen, dinner room, various smaller rooms used for comity gatherings and informal get togethers, and, ofcourse our bar. Its not uncommon for members to take a drink or two after our meetings or during a festive board. In my many years I have not once seen a brother drink to excess, nor have I ever heard of any problems from the lodges that share our facilities. |
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Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Columbia, MD
Posts: 8
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In Maryland Lodges, beer may be served during refreshment. In or Lodge, where the dinner comes after the closing of the Lodge, we make beer available. One or two of the brethren will have a glass of beer with their meal, most have soft drinks or coffee.
I see nothing wrong with allowing the brethren to have a refreshing adult beverage with their meal and, as men of good character who do not indulge in any habits to excess, we are confident that the practice of allowing beer during refreshment causes no problems. Fraternally, Bro. James Canby Landerkin |
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