Founding fathers

WM1109ms · 12-15-2007, 04:57 PM

Question technically speacking could the founding fathers be brought up on charges becuse they wee a source of unrest in the government and theirfor broke the obligation

**BG_TRBL** · 12-16-2007, 08:17 AM

Not sure which founding fathers you are referring to. If you are referring to the founding fathers of the United States. Then YES, they were actually committing the greatest sin against the governing body. "Treason" Had the colonies lost the battle for their independence the surely would have been executed. The declaration of independence does however call for those individuals to stand up and take charge.
Of course this is an opinion formed on information which I have not researched. Just information put together through discussions, articles, etc...

mollyL · 03-09-2008, 11:32 PM

As you say “technically” yes, but I can’t help but be reminded of the 1930’s Errol Flynn version of Robin Hood where Marian says to Robin “You speak treason!” He replies” “Fluently.”

10-22-2010, 08:24 PM

Tyranny to some is to another man liberty. Given the circumstances, I don't see it as a chargeable offence Masonically speaking.

The rights and freedom of the people were being oppressed. Diplomacy failed. They merely formed a better form of government to protect that liberty. It wasn't for the sake of just overthrowing a government. They didn't actually overthrow it per se. The seceded from it.

Just my opinion of course.

And yes, they would have been executed if they failed, but that is no different from current events happening today.

PatrickWilliams · 10-23-2010, 08:15 AM

Well ... inasmuch as the GL of England dropped all the charters in our fledgling country after the revolution, I'd say they brought the entire nation up on Masonic charges.

We cannot be perfect. And sometimes that imperfection shows all too clearly. Think about the Brother Masons who fought against one another in any Civil War or revolution . We are called upon by our Charges to be true and peaceful citizens, but real life sometimes makes that impossible.

10-23-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by PatrickWilliams

Well ... inasmuch as the GL of England dropped all the charters in our fledgling country after the revolution, I'd say they brought the entire nation up on Masonic charges.

We cannot be perfect. And sometimes that imperfection shows all too clearly. Think about the Brother Masons who fought against one another in any Civil War or revolution . We are called upon by our Charges to be true and peaceful citizens, but real life sometimes makes that impossible.

Good points, but Who happens to be Grand Master of GL of England? Royalty!
Of course they brought charges against the colonies, but I think it was more political in motive.

Your last paragraph hit the nail on the head.

PatrickWilliams · 10-23-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryE

Your last paragraph hit the nail on the head.

What can I say? Even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes.

10-23-2010, 10:34 AM

I'm thinking you and I are going to be good friends... I like your sense of humor!

PatrickWilliams · 10-23-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryE

I'm thinking you and I are going to be good friends... I like your sense of humor!

Well ... we're already brothers, yes?

10-23-2010, 11:56 AM

This IS true!

12-15-2007, 04:57 PM	#1
WM1109ms Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bergenfield Member of Livingston #11 Posts: 5 Lodge:	Founding fathers Question technically speacking could the founding fathers be brought up on charges becuse they wee a source of unrest in the government and theirfor broke the obligation

12-16-2007, 08:17 AM	#2
BG_TRBL Watcher of the posts Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: #232 Jersey Shore, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,124 Lodge: LaBelle Vallee Lodge #232	Not sure which founding fathers you are referring to. If you are referring to the founding fathers of the United States. Then YES, they were actually committing the greatest sin against the governing body. "Treason" Had the colonies lost the battle for their independence the surely would have been executed. The declaration of independence does however call for those individuals to stand up and take charge. Of course this is an opinion formed on information which I have not researched. Just information put together through discussions, articles, etc... __________________ P.M. LaBelle Vallee Lodge #232 P.H.P. Lafayette Chapter #163 Sir Knight (Hospitallier Commandry) Prophet (Zafar Grotto) Freemasonry may be traced by history and tradition, ...it is only necessary to refer to the information presented to you in a general manner. Information considered "secret" to mason's will NOT be divulged. Seek and ye shall find, Ask and it will be given you, Type and it will be posted (and most likely, answered).

10-22-2010, 08:24 PM	#4
Gary Guest Posts: n/a Lodge:	Tyranny to some is to another man liberty. Given the circumstances, I don't see it as a chargeable offence Masonically speaking. The rights and freedom of the people were being oppressed. Diplomacy failed. They merely formed a better form of government to protect that liberty. It wasn't for the sake of just overthrowing a government. They didn't actually overthrow it per se. The seceded from it. Just my opinion of course. And yes, they would have been executed if they failed, but that is no different from current events happening today. Last edited by Gary; 10-23-2010 at 07:53 AM.. Reason: After thought...

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03-09-2008, 11:32 PM	#3
mollyL Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 104 Lodge:	As you say “technically” yes, but I can’t help but be reminded of the 1930’s Errol Flynn version of Robin Hood where Marian says to Robin “You speak treason!” He replies” “Fluently.”

10-23-2010, 08:15 AM	#5
PatrickWilliams I could tell you ... Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Racine, WI Posts: 1,079 Lodge: Racine-Belle City Lodge #18	Well ... inasmuch as the GL of England dropped all the charters in our fledgling country after the revolution, I'd say they brought the entire nation up on Masonic charges. We cannot be perfect. And sometimes that imperfection shows all too clearly. Think about the Brother Masons who fought against one another in any Civil War or revolution . We are called upon by our Charges to be true and peaceful citizens, but real life sometimes makes that impossible.

10-23-2010, 10:34 AM	#8
Gary Guest Posts: n/a Lodge:	I'm thinking you and I are going to be good friends... I like your sense of humor!

10-23-2010, 11:56 AM	#10
Gary Guest Posts: n/a Lodge:	This IS true!