[Ashlar2006]

I've done a search and from what I have found (or not found would be a more correct statement) that there is no proof that Gordon Brown is a Freemason . I may have missed something though . But , this being said , These two headlines do not imply that there is the existence of a NWO , look deeper into it and you will find out that he is stating that a NWO is *needed* to combat the recession and other glodal problems . This is in no way proof that the NWO is fact .

[Ashlar2006]

This post is not aimed at you Zanillo , so do not take it as it is . I have read up on most all of the conspiracies aimed at Freemasonry and it all boils down to this , where are the facts ? Where is the 100% , irrevocable , substantiated truths that Freemasonry is behind all these conspiracies ? Not on the information that is based on lies and/or half truths of proven charlatans ,or on Masonic rituals and text twisted and taken out of context , or on the good ol' "because I say so" stand . Where is the hard truth ?

There is none . But many want to blame their woes on someone , they want to attack what they do not understand or know nothing about ( the less one knows the more one takes of Freemasonry ) and Freemasonry is a great target because we do not take a stand and fight back .

[Joyrock]

Many religious fundementalists will always regard the ceremonial magick that takes place in Masonic ritual as "summoning demons." While clearly the ritual work done with the lodge is not a summoning type of work this is of little consiquence.

I could go on about Masonic invocations, but that could be a whole other topic by itself.

As far as the Illuminati goes. The Bavarian Illuminati as far as an organization goes is no more. I disagree that they where about power and greed. They where about protecting intelectuals and the enlightenment from the oppression of the church. I noble purpose in my mind.

There have been and are Illuminists before and after the Bravarian Illuminati.
Some argue that Hermes Trsmigistus was illuminated. AE Waite used the term.

The answers to these questions are more complex than we often think.

Fraternally,

[Zanillo]

Oh I know its not official yet, but the NWO is just a matter of time. Papers such as these are just to prepare the populations to get used to the idea of a unified planet. I am not even trying to suggest that the NWO is a bad idea, I'm personally for at least some aspects of it. So yes, I can imagine there are some mason's who would support a world order, I personally think it would be good if humans were globally consolidated, so long as everyone was free to continue their own culture and religion.

I agree Ashlar, its common knowledge that people fear and target the unknown. I admire your passion about cutting down the lies directed toward the Masons.

EDIT: That's what I heard about the illuminati also Joyrock. I should think that in those times the bad name was given to them by the church, and the bad reputation just lived on.

[Joyrock]

I can honestly say that I am of the opinion that if every adult on earth where actually a Craftsmen, that is actually practiced and lived the Craft the world would absolutley be a better place.

If that means I am in favor of the NWO so mote it be.

Fraternally,

[removed12612]

Rescue48 not to be trivial but "The Complete Idiots Guide to Freemasonry" was written by S. Brent Morris Ph D 33* and "Freemasonry for Dummies" was written by Chris Hodapp 32*