[Blaizze]

While I have an interest in Freemasonry. I know that I cannot join due to meeting only 3 out of the 4 requirements. As I am not a believer in a Supreme Being. I am more or less Agnostic, are there exceptions to this rule?

If not, are there any organizations that are similar in nature to the Masons without this hinderance that I could be redirected to?

Thank you. Peace.

[Ashlar2006]

There are other "obediences" of Freemasonry that allows members in who do not believe in a Supreme Being and who also allow women to be members etc; A quick search on google for will point you in the right direction . Look for sites that promote "co-masonry" ,"atheist Freemasons" etc; etc; .

When it comes my "Mainstream" jurisdiction , when it comes to a belief in a Supreme Being , there are NO exceptions to the rule . Though we do not care what your religion is or how you worship , that is question number one , and it must be answered in the affirmative .

[Blaizze]

Originally Posted by Ashlar521

There are other "obediences" of Freemasonry that allows members in who do not believe in a Supreme Being and who also allow women to be members etc; A quick search on google for will point you in the right direction . Look for sites that promote "co-masonry" ,"atheist Freemasons" etc; etc; .

When it comes my "Mainstream" jurisdiction , when it comes to a belief in a Supreme Being , there are NO exceptions to the rule . Though we do not care what your religion is or how you worship , that is question number one , and it must be answered in the affirmative .

Thank you for the help. I can't say that I am atheistic agnostic either, my view on God is a little different then most. I am agnostic in the sense that one cannot prove or disprove the existance of a god. I do have my views on what I would view as "god."

I don't want to make this a religious discussion, just clarify my own views so that I can see whether or not they are contradictory to Masonic Tradition.

This is a summary of my own views on god: I believe that what humanity has been calling “god” for so long is really an impersonal energy, not a deity. I believe this energy flows through all things in the universe, and is the energy that one calls upon during rituals, and other things that have been deemed metaphysical or supernatural. It is the basic energy that holds the fabric of the universe together, it is what caused the big bang at the beginning of time that started all life; it is not good, and it is not evil… It is a force of nature that we have yet to understand. This energy is what gives us our consciousness and self awareness, and it is what departs us when we pass away.

I am going guess that even with my explanation it is still a no go. But I also know that the only way I will find out is by asking.

Once again thank you ashlar for the other "obediences" that I can look into. It is much appreciated. Peace.

[Ashlar2006]

Your welcome .

When it comes to discussions concerning religion , who is God and what is God I tend to bow out .

[Blaizze]

Originally Posted by Ashlar521

Your welcome .

When it comes to discussions concerning religion , who is God and what is God I tend to bow out .

That is why I noted that I didn't want it to be a religious discussion, it is too touchy of a subject for most. I don't want to know anyone else's views, I just wanted to know if that was an acceptable viewpoint if I was thinking about being a Mason. Or if I should seek elsewhere. Peace.

[BG_TRBL]

The discussion is a difficult topic to broach, and as Ashlar has stated, we don't debate the religious topics. It is your choice to which beliefs you follow, I would not deject from your own opinions. The unfortunate matter at hand is that, if you do not believe in a supreme being, that it would hamper your journey into freemasonry. I personally do not know of any bodies that are very similar to freemasonry but don't require the belief of a supreme being. I wouldn't want this discussion to get into a religious debate either. Please don't take this as any type of personal insult. I am asking because I am curious of something. If you feel that there is no specific diety in the universe, but subscribe that you do feel that there is something "larger than life" or something greater, what would make you certain that it is not a diety. I honestly don't have an answer to that, but curious as to what you opinion is of that.
I only ask, as i cannot prove the existance of something greater, but I feel there is something larger out there, and I do subscribe to the belief of a supreme being. Thank you for your response, and I hope you don't take my question as an attack, I look forward to reading your response.

[Blaizze]

Originally Posted by BG_TRBL

The discussion is a difficult topic to broach, and as Ashlar has stated, we don't debate the religious topics. It is your choice to which beliefs you follow, I would not deject from your own opinions. The unfortunate matter at hand is that, if you do not believe in a supreme being, that it would hamper your journey into freemasonry. I personally do not know of any bodies that are very similar to freemasonry but don't require the belief of a supreme being. I wouldn't want this discussion to get into a religious debate either. Please don't take this as any type of personal insult. I am asking because I am curious of something. If you feel that there is no specific diety in the universe, but subscribe that you do feel that there is something "larger than life" or something greater, what would make you certain that it is not a diety. I honestly don't have an answer to that, but curious as to what you opinion is of that.
I only ask, as i cannot prove the existance of something greater, but I feel there is something larger out there, and I do subscribe to the belief of a supreme being. Thank you for your response, and I hope you don't take my question as an attack, I look forward to reading your response.

I will answer you in a PM, if I can figure out how to do it.

[Ashlar2006]

Ah , I was looking forward to your response . My interest has been peaked and would love to hear your feling on this also so if you don't mind Blaizze , could you send me the same PM . I am not judging you in any way , shape or form , I am just interested in your thoughts on this subject .

[Blaizze]

Originally Posted by Ashlar521

Ah , I was looking forward to your response . My interest has been peaked and would love to hear your feling on this also so if you don't mind Blaizze , could you send me the same PM . I am not judging you in any way , shape or form , I am just interested in your thoughts on this subject .

Aye aye... I sent you the same message I sent to BG_TRBL. I also sent you both a clarification message. Feel free to send me any more questions or comments. I don't do much at work, so I surf the net most of the day.

[Ashlar2006]

Stick around here and join in the conversations . You do not have to be a Freemason to chat with us , all are welcome .

By the way , loved the "Aye aye " , gave me a good laugh ( caught me just right).