The it would appear to me that you don't understand Deism. It also perplexes me that you see a way to be religious without being spiritual. I don't want to put you on the hot seat my Brother, but I'd love to hear your reasoning and explanation for your thoughts on this if you care to share.
I disagree with your definition. You are confusing Mono-theism with Deism.
Yup. I don't believe either of us are making an effort to change the others views or their points. It's discourse from the heart and as it should be.
I have met quite a few spiritual athiests and a whole bunch of "dead" religious folk.
I have also met people that say they get a spiritual feeling from Greatful Dead concerts....or from the Doors back in the 60ies.... people can use that word in many context.....
OK,
Nay, sometimes you do! Explain a person who is a deist who is trying to formulate a better understanding of their G-d? a little study in comparative religions maybe?
It may be very rudimentary in it definition but without it, we can all just make up our own definition....
But they are religious or they wouldnt be exploring religion...... and the religion they settle on is the map for their journey.
What I'm getting at is this... They are Spiritual, not necessarily religious. So to get back on topic, FM & Religion.... Deists don't necessarily have a map (religion) by the very definition you provided. If that's the case, then Religion is not part of Freemasonry. Spirituality is.
We will have to agree to disagree...... to me spirituality is part of a religious experience.......as in someone who is really involved in their denomination.... a person can be a religious person but not get into the "church" experience.
I offer to you that based on the ritual used predominantly in the US of A....FM was a Christian based..... and I say that because if it wasnt based on teaching exclusively from the HB references from the other VSL would have been used as well....the other VSL were known when the Preston-Webb ritual was written.
Yes. That is the magic of words.
I believe this is a mistaken belief. I think initially someone must take a journey to create a map of that journey. If you have a map, that's a hand me down issue that should not take away from the fact that someone had to Travel through the unknown territory to make it symbolically known to others.
I can see you perspective and appreciate it...... I dont believe one experiences spirituality without first having a basis in religion.... I dont consider the Doors or the Greatful Dead either spiritual or religious....Yes. That is the magic of words.
I believe this is a mistaken belief. I think initially someone must take a journey to create a map of that journey. If you have a map, that's a hand me down issue that should not take away from the fact that someone had to Travel through the unknown territory to make it symbolically known to others.
Let me explain. Maps are symbolic representations of what you think you know about the territory they represent. Even if you travel that territory in your imagination, the map still originates as a consequences of that Travel experience.
I take it you've never been to a Dead show before...LOL j/k
LOL.. thankfully noI take it you've never been to a Dead show before...LOL j/k
.... but I did date this deadhead chick for a while....just couldnt get past the patchouli oil smell...so she had to go....