Lectures

What lectures do you do?

  • EA

    Votes: 5 22.7%
  • FC

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • MM

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • All three

    Votes: 11 50.0%

  • Total voters
    22

Ashlar2006

Masonic Mafia
Yes , congrats . You broke the ice on your first lecture . Like I said , if you did not stumble once or twice , you did not try ! Congrats again .
 

Ashlar2006

Masonic Mafia
Interesting , Never heard of a short form . Boy they must have really cut it down to the bare bones for a short form .
 

Custer148

Masonic Traveler
Ed Webber, the Brother who gave the MC lecture to me when I was passed did it long form. When I started memorizing the MC lecture I wanted to use the long form and was told that the only form which was "approved" in NE was the short form and it is still 23 pages in the cypher (about 20-22 minutes in length). They had cut about 1 1/2 pages or so out.

About 5 years ago the NE GL Committee on Work had been approached about shortening it even furthur because there were not enough Brothers memorizing the MC lecture because it was too long. I was asked my opinion about this and I told the PGM on that committee that I thought it would take too much away from the lecture to shorten it any more, and that while it is a long lecture you only get out of something that which you put in. The lecture has not been shortened.
 

FF Sparky

Member
I compared the 2 versions last night. Everything in the short form is in the long form. The long form breaks each step down, the short generalizes. on al the steps. the 2 pilars and globes part are the same.
 

Bob Franks

Past District Deputy Grand Lecturer
Here is a question....Should a SD move up to the JW chair if he doesnt learn the MC lecture??
Wow, I have not seen the degrees done right (by the sitting officers) EVER, in my lodge, nor in any in my district (7 other lodges). It is rare to see a SD who has learned the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree.
I've heard people tell me they learned that lecture in 2 weeks, it took me about 4 months. In NC (AF&AM) this lecture takes about 20 minutes.
I have one, and maybe a second person who is learning the whole set of lectures. It makes me wonder if I will be able to find a Lecturer to replace me after next year.

S&F
 

FF Sparky

Member
Wow, I have not seen the degrees done right (by the sitting officers) EVER, in my lodge, nor in any in my district (7 other lodges). It is rare to see a SD who has learned the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree.
I've heard people tell me they learned that lecture in 2 weeks, it took me about 4 months. In NC (AF&AM) this lecture takes about 20 minutes.
I have one, and maybe a second person who is learning the whole set of lectures. It makes me wonder if I will be able to find a Lecturer to replace me after next year.

S&F
Ill cover for you Brother
 

Bob Franks

Past District Deputy Grand Lecturer
Wow, I have not seen the degrees done right (by the sitting officers) EVER, in my lodge, nor in any in my district (7 other lodges). It is rare to see a SD who has learned the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree.
I've heard people tell me they learned that lecture in 2 weeks, it took me about 4 months. In NC (AF&AM) this lecture takes about 20 minutes.
I have one, and maybe a second person who is learning the whole set of lectures. It makes me wonder if I will be able to find a Lecturer to replace me after next year.

S&F
Ill cover for you Brother
Can you visit each of the lodges in the 10th District (Wayne and Lenoir counties) of NC annually? More frequent visits are often necessary to determine if the ritual conforms to North Carolina AF&AM Grand Lodge standards.

Oh, and you have to be a Certified Lecturer.

I would be comforted if there is someone who can come in to succeed me.

S&F
 

jaya

Active Member
There should be more than you that is a certified lecturer in your district. I know we have 13 (at least) that are CL in the 39th district. Builtmore Lodge has 8 in their lodge alone. A quick look at the roster shows that there are 7 CLs in district 10. Surely one of those brothers could step up and fill in if needed?
 

Bob Franks

Past District Deputy Grand Lecturer
There should be more than you that is a certified lecturer in your district. I know we have 13 (at least) that are CL in the 39th district. Builtmore Lodge has 8 in their lodge alone. A quick look at the roster shows that there are 7 CLs in district 10. Surely one of those brothers could step up and fill in if needed?
...and most of them have already had a turn at DDGL!

S&F
 

FF Sparky

Member
Certified Lecturers? We don' have that. Just some PM that are great at the lectures. We did start a program where there is testing to be certified for the SD,JW,SW and WM chairs, some of it has to do with ritual, some to do with rules/bylaws/constitution. Not actual certification in lectures. I hope to be certified soon for all the chairs. Would love the challenge of lecture certifications. I can add these to my wall of acheivements(may need a bigger wall) I also plan on putting an apron from every chair I sit in on the wall. I may need 2 walls....lol
 

Bob Franks

Past District Deputy Grand Lecturer
Certified Lecturers? We don' have that. Just some PM that are great at the lectures. We did start a program where there is testing to be certified for the SD,JW,SW and WM chairs, some of it has to do with ritual, some to do with rules/bylaws/constitution. Not actual certification in lectures. I hope to be certified soon for all the chairs. Would love the challenge of lecture certifications. I can add these to my wall of acheivements(may need a bigger wall) I also plan on putting an apron from every chair I sit in on the wall. I may need 2 walls....lol
Yes, NC (AF&AM) has a program to give recognition to those who learn the ritual and the lectures. A comprehensive all day (7hours by the schedule) test on all the openings and closings, Stated and Emergent Communications, dispensing with labor, resuming labor, calling from labor to refreshment, calling from refreshment to labor, all 3 degrees (all parts & movements), and the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree.
That gets you a Class B Certificate, and a designation as a Certified Instructor.
The last hour adds the Lectures of the Entered Apprentice and Master Masons Degrees, and you earn a Class A Certificate: Certified Lecturer.

The overall plan seems to be that after passing the Chairs (for those non-mason lurkers: serving in all the significant officer positions), which SHOULD include delivering the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree as Senior Deacon [like that ever happens, anymore!], you would have learned everything to qualify as a Certified Instructor.
Go back next year and test on the 1st & 3rd Lectures and you've got it all!

I guess I'm kinda retarded. I, like most, didn't think that learning a lecture was within my grasp. I completed the Chairs, serving as Master in 2002, and never learned the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree. I did confer each of the degrees in my journey.

A few years after, I was embarrassed to have had to READ the First Degree Charge, when no one could be found to have it memorized. By the time those 2 guys got to the Fellow Crafts Degree, I delivered THAT charge by memory.
I learned The Letter G, all 4 charges (3 degrees and the beautiful Closing Charge), The Apron Delivery, the 'definition of masonry' (from the NE corner), Solomon's Prayer,...and one night when a visitor had to wait for someone to arrive who knew The Tyler's Oath, I learned that, too.
I'm not very good at retaining things in memory, so I had a 3 day schedule to practice 3 of these short pieces. One Saturday, bored, I decided to see how fast I could recite all 9 pieces.
24 minutes.
A few days later, I wondered at an Entered Apprentice Degree how long the Lecture took.
22 minutes.
I had an epiphany; I had already learned stuff LONGER than that lecture. I got in touch with a friend at a nearby lodge to learn the Lecture of the Entered Apprentice Degree, as no one had it at my lodge.
When I neared the end, I got in touch with the PM who had delivered the Lecture of the Master Masons Degree in our lodge for several years, and he informed me that because of health, he wouldn't be able to give the lecture for an upcoming degree. That gave me my next task.
On a roll, 4 months later, I began learning the lecture I SHOULD have learned first, the Fellow Crafts Degree.
My backup teacher for the last one was 2 years overdue to be replaced as District Deputy Grand Lecturer, and encouraged me to relearn the opening and closings to qualify as a CL. It had been 6 years since I was Master, and I had lost them.
I did just about all of it @$$-backwards!

The nice thing about testing is that if another Certified Lecturer (or Instructor for some of the stuff) has WITNESSED you competent in a part, they can sign you off for that part at the exam...so you try to get all your CL friends to come and see you do the work!

When I visited Indiana last year, I was able to go to Lodge in Pittsboro, the little town where we lived 10 years. The Secretary, who is elder brother of a first grade classmate of mine (Will Gary ever get past EA???), showed me a folder that outlines the Ind. program to encourage memory work. They have a point system for working a part or delivering a charge or lecture, and a graduated program of increasing status of recognition.
Any one from IN want to correct me or add detail?

S&F
 

FF Sparky

Member
Yes, NC (AF&AM) has a program to give recognition to those who learn the ritual and the lectures. A comprehensive all day (7hours by the schedule) test on all the openings and closings, Stated and Emergent Communications, dispensing with labor, resuming labor, calling from labor to refreshment, calling from refreshment to labor, all 3 degrees (all parts & movements), and the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree.
That gets you a Class B Certificate, and a designation as a Certified Instructor.
The last hour adds the Lectures of the Entered Apprentice and Master Masons Degrees, and you earn a Class A Certificate: Certified Lecturer.

The overall plan seems to be that after passing the Chairs (for those non-mason lurkers: serving in all the significant officer positions), which SHOULD include delivering the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree as Senior Deacon [like that ever happens, anymore!], you would have learned everything to qualify as a Certified Instructor.
Go back next year and test on the 1st & 3rd Lectures and you've got it all!

I guess I'm kinda retarded. I, like most, didn't think that learning a lecture was within my grasp. I completed the Chairs, serving as Master in 2002, and never learned the Lecture of the Fellow Crafts Degree. I did confer each of the degrees in my journey.

A few years after, I was embarrassed to have had to READ the First Degree Charge, when no one could be found to have it memorized. By the time those 2 guys got to the Fellow Crafts Degree, I delivered THAT charge by memory.
I learned The Letter G, all 4 charges (3 degrees and the beautiful Closing Charge), The Apron Delivery, the 'definition of masonry' (from the NE corner), Solomon's Prayer,...and one night when a visitor had to wait for someone to arrive who knew The Tyler's Oath, I learned that, too.
I'm not very good at retaining things in memory, so I had a 3 day schedule to practice 3 of these short pieces. One Saturday, bored, I decided to see how fast I could recite all 9 pieces.
24 minutes.
A few days later, I wondered at an Entered Apprentice Degree how long the Lecture took.
22 minutes.
I had an epiphany; I had already learned stuff LONGER than that lecture. I got in touch with a friend at a nearby lodge to learn the Lecture of the Entered Apprentice Degree, as no one had it at my lodge.
When I neared the end, I got in touch with the PM who had delivered the Lecture of the Master Masons Degree in our lodge for several years, and he informed me that because of health, he wouldn't be able to give the lecture for an upcoming degree. That gave me my next task.
On a roll, 4 months later, I began learning the lecture I SHOULD have learned first, the Fellow Crafts Degree.
My backup teacher for the last one was 2 years overdue to be replaced as District Deputy Grand Lecturer, and encouraged me to relearn the opening and closings to qualify as a CL. It had been 6 years since I was Master, and I had lost them.
I did just about all of it @$$-backwards!

The nice thing about testing is that if another Certified Lecturer (or Instructor for some of the stuff) has WITNESSED you competent in a part, they can sign you off for that part at the exam...so you try to get all your CL friends to come and see you do the work!

When I visited Indiana last year, I was able to go to Lodge in Pittsboro, the little town where we lived 10 years. The Secretary, who is elder brother of a first grade classmate of mine (Will Gary ever get past EA???), showed me a folder that outlines the Ind. program to encourage memory work. They have a point system for working a part or delivering a charge or lecture, and a graduated program of increasing status of recognition.
Any one from IN want to correct me or add detail?

S&F
I would love the challenge
 
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