You bring up a good point. Freemasonry was never intended to be a "club" for the masses. It's selective by design. We have strayed considerably from that. Which would explain many of the issues we face today as a fraternity.
Basically i agree with you. The point of the quote was, it is not wrong to be Elite organization, or to keep raising the standards of the organization. Most of us believe ourselves to be better than most non-masons; may be even some Brothers. But to be Elitist and show others you believe yourself to be better than them is not good. ... The opinion of non-masons really doesn't matter, let them form their own opinion from our actions; and not from 'I'm better than you' attitude.
That was an excellent listen. Bro. Bob makes some excellent points. The apathy and indifference is a serious issue. We make men Masons, but never teach them the history of the Order and what it he is actually supposed to do. A system of education must be built into the process if we are to close the gap between potential and practice in Masonry. He Maje's an excellent statement near the end where he asks how many men parrot the words of the ritual but ignore any true learning and call themselves Masons.
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One US Dollar is worth about 3.41 Israeli New Shekels today. This is the equivelant of 341 agorot. So your two cents is actually worth about seven agorot. (6.82 actualy) Two shekels are worth almost 60 cents and I know your oppinion isn't worth that much! LOLJust my 2 cents (or sheckels as you would say
Hahahaha I couldn't resist, Brother!Ooh....I'm gonna remember that crack buddy! LOL
To make a point of reference... Name one "elite" group without flaw, or that has never made a mistake. They strive for perfection by honing their craft. That is exactly what our fraternity did at one time, and should be doing today. I believe that is the point that Winter was trying to make. Your statement in your last post that I've highlighted is on target IMHO. by striving for elitism, you achieve much higher standards than the norm.
I cant..... neither can anyone else....that is exactly why I dont feel we should call ourselves Elitist.......it is our GOAL.... but none have made it there.... we are constantly striving for it but it is just out of our reach....I do agree we have (or should have) VERY high standards.....and each candidate should be evaluated on an individual basis..... there are some exceptions to the rule...but isnt that the rule for all rules.....
I completely agree. This discussion has helped me put to words many of my opinions about Freemasonry that, until now, had remained vague and ill-defined.
That's what discussions like this are for my Brother. "Who can best work, and best agree" comes to mind. We may not always agree, but we can through discussion, reach common ground of understanding of different view points.
Absolutely. And, in the end, it's only really a preference in terminology.
Semantics my Brothers Semantics. The point is the same. We should all strive for "elitism". Our venerable fraternity was founded upon it. In other words, we should all be the best that we can possibly be.
Gosh... You are making me blush!!!pssst.....That Gary feller is pretty smart
This is the million dollar key to the puzzle..........one word can change the entire meaning of the conversation....