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Winter

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Kevin C Livingston said:
Well it seems that guy's true colors have come out. He was looking at a You Tube video (which always is SO accurate) about how the Masonic Symbol looks like the Star of David and are therefore trying to help the Jews take over the world and then he said (thinking I wasn't around) to his "followers" (who were impressionable airmen), "You see? I told you the Masonry is Satanic because Jews cause all of the world's problems!" Another Airmen who happens to be Jewish and overheard this reported him! The airmen have been told to stay away from him and he's been given a suspension!
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Well. It is true. I mean, just look at all the evil we Jews have visited on this world. It truly is staggering! And not too shabby considering that the Jewish people constitute a mere one half of one percent of the world's population.

Albert Einstein - Physicist
Jonas Salk - Created first Polio Vaccine.
Albert Sabin - Developed the oral vaccine for Polio.
Galileo - Discovered the speed of light
Selman Waksman - Discovered Streptomycin. Coined the word 'antibiotic'.
Gabriel Lipmann - Discovered color photography.
Baruch Blumberg - Discovered origin and spread of infectious diseases.
G. Edelman - Discovered chemical structure of antibodies.
Briton Epstein - Identified first cancer virus.
Maria Meyer - Structure of atomic nuclei.
Julius Mayer - Discovered law of thermodynamics.
Sigmund Freud - Father of Psychotherapy.
Christopher Columbus (Marano) - Discovered the Americas. (Well...)
Benjamin Disraeli - Prime Minister of Great Britain 1804-1881
Isaac Singer - Invented the sewing machine.
Levi Strauss - Largest manufacturer of Denim Jeans.
Joseph Pulitzer - Established 'Pulitzer Prize' for achievements in journalism, literature, music & art.

Nobel Prizes!

Literature - 13% of World Total Nobel Prizes awarded to Jews
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Chemistry – 19% of World Total Nobel Prizes awarded to Jews
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 - William Howard Stein
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Herbert Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1989 - Sidney Altman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
2004 - Avram Hershko, Aaron Ciechanover & Irwin Rose
2006 - Roger Kornberg

Physics - 26% of World Total Nobel Prizes awarded to Jews
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charle S Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics - 41% of World Total Nobel Prizes awarded to Jews
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine - 28% of World Total Nobel Prizes awarded to Jews
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen & Rita Levi-Montalcini
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis

Peace - 9% of World Total Nobel Prizes awarded to Jews
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
 
Windrider

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Galileo was Jewish? I don't think so.

He was a devote Roman Catholic who was educated in the Camaldolese Monastery at Vallombrosa.

He also didn't discover the speed of light. He discovered lots of other things, like heliocentralism and did pioneering work on motion of celestial bodies but Christian Huygens is commonly credited with discovering the speed of light.

I don't have time to go over your whole list, but you might want to check your sources there, sir.
 
Winter

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Windrider said:
Galileo was Jewish? I don't think so.

He was a devote Roman Catholic who was educated in the Camaldolese Monastery at Vallombrosa.

He also didn't discover the speed of light. He discovered lots of other things, like heliocentralism and did pioneering work on motion of celestial bodies but Christian Huygens is commonly credited with discovering the speed of light.

I don't have time to go over your whole list, but you might want to check your sources there, sir.
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Everyone knows I vet my posts quite well.

Galileo was of Jewish descent, which means a person is a Jew in the eyes of Jewish Law regardless of what religion they profess, but his parents were protestant and he was raised as such. But in 1597 he converted to Catholicism and entered the Jesuit order, changing his name from Habakkuk to Paul. It is of interest that the order recognized his talents rather late; although he received the full education, he remained a "spiritual coadjutor" and was not admitted to the fourth vow. Can this mean that the order chose not to recognize the talents of a Jew?

And...

1667 Galileo: at least 10 times faster than sound.

In 1667, Galileo is often credited with being the first scientist to try to determine the speed of light. His method was quite simple. He and an assistant each had lamps which could be covered and uncovered at will. Galileo would uncover his lamp, and as soon as his assistant saw the light he would uncover his. By measuring the elapsed time until Galileo saw his assistant's light and knowing how far apart the lamps were, Galileo reasoned he should be able to determine the speed of the light. His conclusion: "If not instantaneous, it is extraordinarily rapid". Most likely he used a water clock, where the amount of water that empties from a container represents the amount of time that has passed. Galileo just deduced that light travels at least ten times faster than sound.
 
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Winter said:
Everyone knows I vet my posts quite well.

Galileo was of Jewish descent, which means a person is a Jew in the eyes of Jewish Law regardless of what religion they profess, but his parents were protestant and he was raised as such. But in 1597 he converted to Catholicism and entered the Jesuit order, changing his name from Habakkuk to Paul. It is of interest that the order recognized his talents rather late; although he received the full education, he remained a "spiritual coadjutor" and was not admitted to the fourth vow. Can this mean that the order chose not to recognize the talents of a Jew?

And...

1667 Galileo: at least 10 times faster than sound.

In 1667, Galileo is often credited with being the first scientist to try to determine the speed of light. His method was quite simple. He and an assistant each had lamps which could be covered and uncovered at will. Galileo would uncover his lamp, and as soon as his assistant saw the light he would uncover his. By measuring the elapsed time until Galileo saw his assistant's light and knowing how far apart the lamps were, Galileo reasoned he should be able to determine the speed of the light. His conclusion: "If not instantaneous, it is extraordinarily rapid". Most likely he used a water clock, where the amount of water that empties from a container represents the amount of time that has passed. Galileo just deduced that light travels at least ten times faster than sound.
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My Brother,

You are stretching it on both points. Are you saying that anyone with any Jewish heritage is automatically a Jew? If so, your estimate of the Jewish population is very low :) Since genetic anthropologists have proven that the original human was from Africa and we are all descended from her, does that make me an African? My understanding is that if your mother is a Jew then you are according to Jewish law. Galileo's mother, Giulia Ammannati, was Italian and a Catholic.

If I attempted to invent a machine that would turn lead into gold but was unsuccessful. Would history record my accomplishment as the inventor of the lead to gold machine?

Galileo never claimed to be Jewish in either faith or nationality. He was an Italian Catholic. History does not say he measured the speed of light (although he did try).

Your claim:

"Galileo - Discovered the speed of light"

Is simply not true.

Here's a claim you could make without any qualification or mental gymnastics: Jesus was a Jew. :) and a good one, too.
 
Winter

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I think it absolutely is true. The fact that he realized it had a speed, attempted reproducible experiments (if rudimentary) and came to a conclusion is absolutely valid enough to make the claim of his discovery.

As for his Jewishness. Again, his addition to that list is based on his heritage, and as I mentioned, regardless of what he or his mother viewed themselves as as is appropriate under Halachic Law. If that doesn't work, go take it up with a Beit Din. :)

Edit to reply to your edit: Yoshua benJosheph was absolutely a Jew and a good one, being a Rabbi in the Essene community at Qumran. It was after his death that any claims regarding his divinity or him being the moshiach cam up. Not from him.
 
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Winter said:
I think it absolutely is true. The fact that he realized it had a speed, attempted reproducible experiments (if rudimentary) and came to a conclusion is absolutely valid enough to make the claim of his discovery.

As for his Jewishness. Again, his addition to that list is based on his heritage, and as I mentioned, regardless of what he or his mother viewed themselves as as is appropriate under Halachic Law. If that doesn't work, go take it up with a Beit Din. :)

Edit to reply to your edit: Yoshua benJosheph was absolutely a Jew and a good one, being a Rabbi in the Essene community at Qumran. It was after his death that any claims regarding his divinity or him being the moshiach cam up. Not from him.
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Galileo may have realized that light has a speed but he certainly did not discover what it is or even come close. In a list of Jews and their accomplishments, you said:

"Galileo - Discovered the speed of light."

You did not say "thought light has a speed" or "attempted to measure the speed of light". You gave him credit for an accomplishment he clearly did not deserve.

I'm a big fan of the man, as you may realize by now. I wish I could say he did discover the speed of light but he didn't. He didn't even invent the telescope, which many mistakenly credit him with. He did point his telescope at the moon, stars and planets and got himself in a heap of trouble with the Church as a result. It only took the Church, six hundred and twenty five years to correct their error and admit "it moves". If he were a Jew, why in heaven's name would the Church care what he said about heliocentralism and the Copernican view of the cosmos? He would already be a heretic in their view. There may be some branch of Halachic Law that says he is somehow a Jew, but the people of his time, including the man himself, made no such claim.

Now, if you told me, as I believe Dan Brown claimed, that he was grand master of the Illuminatti, now you're talking. That I can get behind with no more evidence than a youtube video :)
 
Winter

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I think you're reading too much into that short statement about Galileo discovering the speed of light.

As for his Jewishness, dismiss it all you want, it doesn't matter to me. He's on "our" lists as a noteworthy Jew. We claim Einstein too even though I have heard he considered himself an atheist.

Halachic law only cares about bloodlines in this matter, not what a person believes they are. It's really no skin off my nose either way if you don't agree. I've stated my reasoning for his inclusion on the list. Now back to the thread, I think we've hijacked it enough.
 
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Windrider said:
My Brother,

You are stretching it on both points. Are you saying that anyone with any Jewish heritage is automatically a Jew? If so, your estimate of the Jewish population is very low :) Since genetic anthropologists have proven that the original human was from Africa and we are all descended from her, does that make me an African? My understanding is that if your mother is a Jew then you are according to Jewish law. Galileo's mother, Giulia Ammannati, was Italian and a Catholic.

If I attempted to invent a machine that would turn lead into gold but was unsuccessful. Would history record my accomplishment as the inventor of the lead to gold machine?

Galileo never claimed to be Jewish in either faith or nationality. He was an Italian Catholic. History does not say he measured the speed of light (although he did try).

Your claim:

"Galileo - Discovered the speed of light"

Is simply not true.

Here's a claim you could make without any qualification or mental gymnastics: Jesus was a Jew. :) and a good one, too.
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NOT MINE.... they are from a garden that is believed to have been in the area between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers....which is on the Asian continent and not African....
 
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Winter said:
I think you're reading too much into that short statement about Galileo discovering the speed of light.

As for his Jewishness, dismiss it all you want, it doesn't matter to me. He's on "our" lists as a noteworthy Jew. We claim Einstein too even though I have heard he considered himself an atheist.

Halachic law only cares about bloodlines in this matter, not what a person believes they are. It's really no skin off my nose either way if you don't agree. I've stated my reasoning for his inclusion on the list. Now back to the thread, I think we've hijacked it enough.
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But we were having such fun...

By the way. You would get no argument from me about Einstein being a Jew.
 
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Maybe Galileo was trying to take over the world by secretly hiding his Jewish side and adopted the Italian name so he could be able to mingle.....he was Illuminati right???
 
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