removed12612
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Just incase a profane is reading.....this comment is not totally inclusive...there are a few more things that can exclude a man from masonry....This entire comment is in relation to religion and deity....
Is Freemasonry a Religion?
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Duncan1574
Lodge Chaplain & arms dealer
Exactly !
CoachN
Builder Builder
covert - hidden, masked, not direct, unstated.
Thanks Brother.
I have a take on this this is not mainstream. I believe we already exist in heaven but few can see, hear, feel, taste and smell it. I believe I existed in heaven before this body o' mine manifested in this form and I'll continue to exist in heaven long after this body transforms into worm food.
I believe spiritual awakenings bring about my view and experiences of Heaven. When I hear, "gaining admission," it implies waiting till death of the body. It precludes the possibility of consciously experiencing Heaven in the "here and now" something I experience all the time.
Salvation is "peace of mind." Salvation is also an act of salvaging what's valuable -- it is the most valuable part of a human that is saved when one realizes "who and what" one actually is. Jesus was/is interested in "peace of mind" for all of humanity. He focused upon this during his time as the person we collectively call "Jesus." He taught his students this and how to manifest it for themselves and others. It's most unfortunate that people suffer unnecessarily and most is self inflicted by the way they think about life/death/heaven/hell. Jesus made effort to relieve this suffering by providing them "peace of mind."
Yes - necessary. Purity of conduct triggers "peace of mind." It also triggers "clarity of mind" that helps reveal the reality of Heaven...
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Gary
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I don't know why I bother sometimes. 
Ashlar2006
Masonic Mafia
That's why I just read and refrain from posting most of the time .I don't know why I bother sometimes.
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Gary
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That's the same path I'm head for.
"None of us is as smart as all of us" Eric Schmidt
"If we value the pursuit of knowledge, we must be free to follow wherever that search may lead us" Adlai Stevenson
"Convinced myself, I seek not to convince" Edgar Allan Poe
And lastly:
"Whatever may be the limitations which trammel inquiry elsewhere...encourage that continual and fearless sifting and winnowing by which alone the truth can be found." Theodore Herfurth
Thank you to the brothers who helped me understand this issue.
"If we value the pursuit of knowledge, we must be free to follow wherever that search may lead us" Adlai Stevenson
"Convinced myself, I seek not to convince" Edgar Allan Poe
And lastly:
"Whatever may be the limitations which trammel inquiry elsewhere...encourage that continual and fearless sifting and winnowing by which alone the truth can be found." Theodore Herfurth
Thank you to the brothers who helped me understand this issue.
removed12612
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Nothing wrong is asking.... there is no rule that says we have to agree....just accept that what one believes is exactly that...their belief....
The only dumb questions are the ones that go unasked.....
I maintain my membership in this forum because of the discussions...if we all just read and didnt partake, this would be nothing more than a forum on cooking bacon in various ways........keeping quiet on varied topic is not sharing your light...... I say open up and share your knowledge or thoughts.....you never know, you may be GREATLY helpful to someone...
The only dumb questions are the ones that go unasked.....
I maintain my membership in this forum because of the discussions...if we all just read and didnt partake, this would be nothing more than a forum on cooking bacon in various ways........keeping quiet on varied topic is not sharing your light...... I say open up and share your knowledge or thoughts.....you never know, you may be GREATLY helpful to someone...
Windrider
Plus-sized tuxedo model
While reading this thread, it occurred to me that entrance to the Celestial Lodge was being equated with salvation. I don't think that's necessarily the case. What I believe ritual is teaching us with this allusion is that if we achieve salvation through our religious beliefs and practices outside of Masonry, because we are Masons, we will also have the comfort of our Fraternity as a part of that salvation.
In other words just as there's a lodge in my town, there's a Celestial Lodge in heaven. I don't expect my entire life to be spent in the lodge building in Lowell, MA while I'm alive. I don't expect my entire afterlife to be spent in the Celestial Lodge either. It does give me something to look forward to in addition to the joy and awe of being in the presence of the GAOTU for eternity.
I wonder what the Festive Board is like?
In other words just as there's a lodge in my town, there's a Celestial Lodge in heaven. I don't expect my entire life to be spent in the lodge building in Lowell, MA while I'm alive. I don't expect my entire afterlife to be spent in the Celestial Lodge either. It does give me something to look forward to in addition to the joy and awe of being in the presence of the GAOTU for eternity.
I wonder what the Festive Board is like?
Ashlar2006
Masonic Mafia
I would post more on the "deeper" subjects , but I learn more with a closed mouth and an open mind . I will see a question posed that I can answer or add my 2 cents but find , most of the time , my thoughts have already been expressed by someone else (only worded better) and I see no need to add the same exact thoughts .
